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#9198289 Mar 06, 2014 at 01:00 AM
Marsh-Kin
39 Posts
When I first discovered how commerce was going to work in ESO, I was initially extremely disappointed at the lack of a set auction house. The more I look into the system however, the more I began to consider the benefits of how this could work. Here are my quick thoughts on it, and I certainly encourage feedback since I think a robust production system could greatly benefit us.

This is a fairly small guild, especially when compared to some of the trading juggernaut guilds that are almost sure to surface on every shard of this game. I've already seen some trading guilds numbering in the dozens or hundreds who's sole focus will be crafting and trade. Since there is almost no way for us to have a permanent shop set up, and be able to compete with these elite trading guilds, I was thinking we could become a kind of Wholesale production guild on the side. The idea is simple.

We produce a certain variety of goods that are sought after. We open up lines of communication and a system of sale very early with one of these trading juggernauts. Then, we simply craft and sell our goods to them for a fair, but slightly modest price as they will have to raise the selling price to make a profit and make it worth while for them. Depending on the conditions, we could arrange to receive a portion of all sales back to us, giving us feedback on what sells the best and producing those goods. This would let us focus more on gameplay and crafting, and give them an easy supply of items to sell. Seems like a win-win as long as we keep up to date with what sells.

What are your thoughts on this? I feel like the crafting system is way to robust to ignore this possibility.
We're getting so close to release, my scales are quivering.
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#9198357 Mar 06, 2014 at 01:28 AM · Edited 8 years ago
Hatchlings
82 Posts
It is a good idea, I had not considered i assumed we would self contain our crafting, only making them for ourselves and guild mates. It is certainly something to consider..
What great crafting guilds do you speak of ? I am aware of the metalworkers union, but they only have a few more members than us...
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#9198422 Mar 06, 2014 at 01:56 AM
Marsh-Kin
39 Posts
As the game develops over the first few weeks, there will more then likely be a guild or two that specializes in trading that does very well. Once those guilds have surfaced (since there is no way to tell who will succeed this early), we could see about opening trade and selling to them.

As of right now, I've only seen a few guilds dedicated to trading.

Tamriel Free Trade Commission
Iron Fist Trade Complex
Ebonheart Metalworker’s Union

These are the ones I've seen on TF that seem to be dedicated to crafting and trading. This may be something that has to wait until we can see which guilds would be the most profitable for us to partner with, since there is no way to tell which ones will succeed or even be in our shard at this time. The conditions would need to be right, and I wouldn't think of this as a priority, but it could be interesting to try and facilitate after launch.
We're getting so close to release, my scales are quivering.
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#9199506 Mar 06, 2014 at 08:34 AM
Marsh-Kin
31 Posts
I wouldn't know how to do the trading or anything like that so I would leave it to you guys.
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#9199583 Mar 06, 2014 at 08:54 AM
Marsh-Kin
13 Posts
I have never played an MMO so I agree with Hericine Meteus
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#9199784 Mar 06, 2014 at 09:50 AM
Marsh-Kin
68 Posts
I think that the idea of dedicating our guild to only one or a few commadaties for trans-guild liquidation is a great idea. The plan then should be to observe what our guildmates are already focusing on for themselves, and try to capitalize on it. If such items are already sought after then we are good. For this reason I recommend all guild members choose a specific material to put a keen eye skill towards. Even if you don't craft too much you can still help bring in materials. What do you guys think?
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#9200099 Mar 06, 2014 at 11:03 AM
Marsh-Kin
18 Posts
I have talked to the leader of Black Market Wares during the last Beta and will be joining them as well since we are allowed to be in 5 guilds at once. They are a cross-faction "guild" with the sole purpose of providing a platform for advertising and trading your wares. It is not really guild... in fact you are allowed to leave and rejoin whenever you want just to sell or buy goods. You can even hire people to collect raw materials for you.

Perhaps the An-Xileel could benefit from joining all together? Or a couple Saxhleel could join and post advertisements periodically about what the An-Xileel have for trade? These individuals could be merchants for the guild. Personally I would be willing to do this.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/groups/black-market-wares/
“The Sea – it calls to me. So, too, does the Hist. I will return, someday. To see the land my tribe was taken from. To feel the warm, shallow waters of the Black Marsh. The reeds brushing against scales. The cool of the Hists’ shade. But first… our lands must be protected. And the Sea awaits.”
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#9200921 Mar 06, 2014 at 02:04 PM
Marsh-Kin
55 Posts
#9198422 Twitches-His-Tail wrote:

As of right now, I've only seen a few guilds dedicated to trading.

Tamriel Free Trade Commission
Iron Fist Trade Complex
Ebonheart Metalworker’s Union



No East Empire Company then huh? I'm surprised by that.
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#9200992 Mar 06, 2014 at 02:24 PM
Marsh-Kin
13 Posts
I gather everything I only will keep the alchemy ingrediaents
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#9201642 Mar 06, 2014 at 04:54 PM
Marsh-Kin
39 Posts
Thanks for your replies. 8) I will be specializing in making bows and Medium armor and I'll be researching traits that benefit me early on, but will branch out from there. Thanks for the input about Black Market Wares Basks-In-Sunlit-Waters, I like the idea of our members joining that guild as well. I wouldn't imagine making it a requirement or anything, but it would be a nice benefit. We'll see how this plays ends up playing out once the game launches. For now we can speculate and plan.
We're getting so close to release, my scales are quivering.
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#9201704 Mar 06, 2014 at 05:07 PM
23 Posts
I had a similar setup with a previous guild, but it did not think to make it a massive sales branch. I guess this could also bring up, do we want a guild pot, and certain players get rewards for performing well or thiings like that?
Now the Shadowscales have returned, but this time with power.
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#9201731 Mar 06, 2014 at 05:15 PM
Marsh-Kin
39 Posts
Implementing a guild pot could be tricky. I've been in guilds that have done that as well. If it is strictly voluntary, it usually leads to only a few people contributing and everyone else taking advantage of it. If it is mandatory, people may be forced to contribute and not end up needing the benefits.

The best way to handle this I think would be a vote, if it becomes something we are actively considering. I don't know. Personally I will be contributing my wares to the guild first on an as needed basis, and selling my wares secondarily for personal profit. I do like the idea though.
We're getting so close to release, my scales are quivering.
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#9202088 Mar 06, 2014 at 06:48 PM
Marsh-Kin
18 Posts
I like the idea of us providing for the guild primarily, but whatever is not needed by anyone in the guild could be traded or sold through Black Market Wares. Maybe Guild Merchants could have a list of items guildmates are looking for or need, even materials that are needed for crafting. Then the merchants can keep an eye out for these items in the BMW trade chat and use our left overs to trade for the things we need.
“The Sea – it calls to me. So, too, does the Hist. I will return, someday. To see the land my tribe was taken from. To feel the warm, shallow waters of the Black Marsh. The reeds brushing against scales. The cool of the Hists’ shade. But first… our lands must be protected. And the Sea awaits.”
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#9202209 Mar 06, 2014 at 07:25 PM
Marsh-Kin
39 Posts
SilverVixen, a member of Black Market Wares, a Cross faction trading guild, messaged me on TF and invited me to join. If you would like to be in BMW as a secondary guild to help facilitate our own guild coffers, send her a message. That is, so long as you can handle talking to a Kajhit. If she bites, just give her a sweet roll and she'll calm down.
We're getting so close to release, my scales are quivering.
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#9202556 Mar 06, 2014 at 09:09 PM
Marsh-Kin
18 Posts
:D That's who invited me to BMW, she's the leader and very nice.
“The Sea – it calls to me. So, too, does the Hist. I will return, someday. To see the land my tribe was taken from. To feel the warm, shallow waters of the Black Marsh. The reeds brushing against scales. The cool of the Hists’ shade. But first… our lands must be protected. And the Sea awaits.”
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#9204973 Mar 07, 2014 at 10:55 AM
Marsh-Kin
25 Posts
I'm not really interested in crafting, and even less on trading, but I will pick some professions for sure.
"It's not easy to balance yourself between the Aedra and Sithis, but I do my best and it has worked fine so far."

- Warrior & Healer Sier-Eckorsk, also known as Seeks-Peace-Finds-War
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#9206169 Mar 07, 2014 at 03:53 PM
Marsh-Kin
39 Posts
I wont have a complete picture of how this will work until ive played when its live and see how things like guild stores will really work. Might be difficult to trade if your keeps are constantly under attack.
This is a secondary thing for me though. Leveling, pvp, and pve will be my priorities early on. Trading will be a tertiary benefit really until later when I have more time for it. Crafting is more for the immediate gains for myself and my fellow marsh friends. We'll see how it plays out. I personally would like the lines of communication to be open early, even if they aren't utilized a little later.
We're getting so close to release, my scales are quivering.
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#9209918 Mar 08, 2014 at 03:42 PM
Marsh-Kin
50 Posts
I definitely don't think we should all join BMW or any other trading guild. There are many such guilds forming, and it would be more advantageous to have someone join each, so we can compare prices, and sell/buy where we get the best prices.

Trading guilds will certainly have a place. If my fellow brothers and sisters want to pursue an organized trading policy like the one proposed above, we could try to leverage the guild bank. If everyone contributed something to the guild bank (say once per week), then guild traders could be authorized to make withdrawals, sell the items for a profit, and then turn the gold over to a designated guild leader. Instead of using it as a "pot" that an individual benefits from, the profits can be converted to PvP items that Marsh Pack leaders will distribute (for example, forward camps, repair kits, catapults).

NOTE I am not advocating for this plan, I am merely attempting to refine an idea that has already been floated -- kind of combining two ideas.
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